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  1. Tony The Tank
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    Greatest of all time, Jack “The Golden Bear” Nicklaus.

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  2. Jmoney7
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    Your facts are wrong. Jack is not second on the all time wins list at 73. Tiger woods is second with 79. Check your facts before you use false info in an argument of goat.

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    1. Mark Cross
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      Look at the date of this article. Tiger has won 7 times since May 2012 when this article was published.

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  3. rememberwhatbushdid
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    100% agree on Nicklaus as the greatest of all time. Stiffer competition. 25 years of being the dominant force. The most majors. Tiger was dominant from 2000 to 2009. Nowhere near the class of competition. Nowhere near as many majors.

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    1. Tony The Tank
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      You said everything I have said for the past years. Why do Woods homers argue these points.

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  4. Kurt
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    Well after several weeks have passed (actually several months) it seems that some of the hopes that Tiger Woods would win again have fallen to the wayside with the likes of many young golfers coming into the game and winning. Seems more young golfers are grabbing the gold ring week after week. Tiger may have played this past Masters ‘just because’ and not because he could really win it. But that doesn’t matter. He can play any tournament he wants, it’s his right.
    I’m falling in with many others here and believing that Tiger Woods may never win another major tournament or at least not before he turns to the senior tour which is a different animal in its self.
    Doc like many others may just be passionate about golfers of his time.
    But I’m no mind reader, I just believe time has taken its toll on Tiger Woods and he’s a great golfer of ‘the past’. Much like many here referred to the great golfers of the 40’s-1980’s.
    We’ll see, the year is young.
    Kurt

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  5. Barry
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    To help a little more on the Tiger vs. Jack debate, I read recently that in their 1st 50 PGA starts as professionals, Tiger had 28 top 10 finishes and Jack had 34.

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  6. Kurt
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    I just spend about an hour reading posts here.
    It seems like a lot of people get or got real angry and got real far off this posts original intent. The guy Doc seems to not particularly like Tiger as a person but I don’t see anything he has said about Tigers golf not being up there with the very very best. Then it seems some people posting to Doc and others get very critical towards Doc because he voices an opinion regarding his feelings towards the game. So I did some research.
    He said something about ethics being the center post or the biggest ingredient in golf according to the PGA pros. I spent a lot of time looking into that online and he is correct.
    When asked, ethics is number one on the PGA players list as to what golf is all about.
    I know ethics means nothing to a bunch of you folks, it is just winning and losing. Understood.
    So whether he or Mike or Steve or ????? is right in the end why can’t we just say for now, Tiger is really really good, is number one in the hearts of many, and may be number on on this blog one day, maybe soon, and leave it at that with all the ‘comments’ left at the curb?
    We’re in America, like it or not, and people can have opinions without being put down about them. Any one of you could be verbally chastised for something or another, but over who’s number one in golf, really, that’s the best we have here in the Good old US of A?
    I like the guy, Tiger, would be proud to play a round with him but it would never happen. Whether or not Tiger wins any more is up in the air. The field has so much talent and so many new guys coming in to play that it gets harder and harder every year.
    But lets be civil and just see?
    Great blog, lots of meanness, good opinions, and a great topic.

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  7. Kurt
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    Well you may be a younger person and never really got to see the ‘old pros’ at work. Back when Jack, Lee, Chi Chi, Arnie and the others were playing professional golf there were only a hand full of them that actually made a living at golf full time from day one to end of career. I think Jacks first paycheck was $33 or something insane like that. Like I sad they didn’t make a living at this game, they played it because they loved it. The money came in their winter years when they were leaving the game and heading into the seniors PGA.
    I’m not knocking Tiger, he’s a great golfer but longevity is what it takes for a person to be thought of as number one otherwise one game, one week, one month, one year could be the only factor to consider? That would be wrong.
    In the end, if Tiger breaks Jacks record then he’ll be number one and there won’t be any question to it.
    But if tiger never beat Jacks record he’ll always be number two at best and even then someone can catch either of them. They aren’t Gods. They are golfers.
    If you had the time to research golf and the players from the early days of the PGA up to today, you’d see many amazing things that were done with a simple wooden headed golf club and a rubber band wound ball. You’d be really amazed I do think.
    That doesn’t take anything away from today’s technology that makes hitting great shots much much easier. That’s the equipment of today and everyone uses it. But I have to say that if every one played with the equipment from the 50-60-70’s, there would not be the scores turned in that we see from the current list of pros on the PGA.
    And if the old timers had the advantage of today’s technological equipment they may have set many many more records than they did.
    Just a theory, nothing else.
    Lets let history decide who is the best and enjoy our seats on the sidelines.

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  8. Michael Cambridge
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    How can Tiger be #2 when he has the most records in Junior golf, the most records in Amateur golf (without being a lifetime amateur as was Jones), and the most unbreakable records in PGA golf?

    Tiger won 14 Majors in 12 years by age 32. Jack won 18 Majors in 25 seasons by age 46. PGA venues were driven to slow Tiger down by Tiger Proofing golf courses. There were never any speed bumps on Jack’s road to 18 Majors.

    Why is the sports media waiting for Tiger to catch Jack’s Major wins record when Jack never held any of Tiger’s Junior, Amateur and PGA records and accomplishments. Tiger may catch Jack’s 18, but Jack will obviously never catch any of the many Tiger records. Tiger has the most golfing records in history at all competition levels.

    Tiger is the only golfer in history to win 6 Junior World Championships, 3 consecutive US Junior Amateur Championships, followed immediately by 3 consecutive US Amateur Championships (for 6 USGA Amateur Majors in a row). Tiger is also the only pro to win 4 professional Majors in a row and he did that over a 10 month period which is a lot harder (staying hot) than doing it over a 5 month calendar year period. Tiger also won 7 of 11 Majors (1999-02) which is a 63% win rate over 3 years; and he later won 6 of 14 Majors (2005-08) for a 43% win rate. Jack was never able to play this well.

    Why is it that Jack, famous for consistency and longevity, could win the most career Majors to-date, but is only 3rd behind a still active Tiger and Sam Snead for most total career wins. If Jack could win the hardest events (Majors) why couldn’t he do as well in the easier non Major tournaments??? Tiger’s the GOAT!

    We’ll be hearing about Tiger woods records forever, whether he gets to 18 or not.

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  9. Kurt
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    Lets calm it down a bit and just let time tell the story, okay?
    I don’t believe anyone here hates anyone else, so these are opinions and I really enjoy reading them but not the hidden anger in some of them.
    If Tiger wins more than Jack, then Tiger will be without doubt listed as such, if he doesn’t then he won’t.
    As they said, they play against the golf courses, not each other so this is really an individual sport, lets let them be individuals.
    As for modern day equipment being used by Tiger, I’m lost here. So what? That’s what’s available. You make it sound like Tiger has picked up some cross to bear by using modern technology. He hasn’t. He actually has an advantage by using today’s modern technology, something golfers back in the 40’s-80’s did not have.
    I think I saw an interview with Brent Sneedeker (spelling?) after he went out and used the old school wooded headed drivers/woods and old school irons and balls from 40 years ago. His comment was something like “wow I don’t see how they hit the ball like they did back then, I’ll never try this again”.
    I think he shot in the low/mid 80’s. You gotta give some creds to those that used ‘old stuff’ and were winners nonetheless.
    That may need to be taken into consideration, not for voting purposes, but to understand how much easier technology has made striking the golf ball today.
    And even with that said I think the longest on record during a tournament drive is by : Sept. 25, 1974, Mike Austin rocketed a drive 515 yards while competing in the U.S. National Senior Open Championship at Desert Rose, Las Vegas. This guy was a Senior PGA golfer, not a young dude like Jack or Tiger was in their prime, he was 60 something!
    So lets enjoy history and history being made?
    Kurt

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  10. Michael Cambridge
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    did anyone catch the nonsense in Jeff Kelly’s column about Jack winning the Career Grand Slam 4 times? Jack and Tiger are TIED with 3 CGSs.

    Also, Tiger may be only 4 Majors short of Jack, but Tiger’s holds the record for the Lowest Career Scoring Average, the record for the Highest Career Winning %, and the record for the most total Wins at 79 by age 37 and still playing. Sam Snead won 77 PGA tournaments by himself by age 52. Sam mysteriously gets credit for 5 TEAM wins for a false total of 82. Tiger has several team wins with Stricker, Kucher and Duval, but none of Tiger’s team wins are counted. Apples vs Oranges favor Sam.

    Also, Tiger holds the most Junior golfing records (6 Junior Worlds including 4 in a row; and 3 USGA US Junior Amateur Championships in a Row; the most Amateur Golf records (only golfer to win 3 USGA US Amateurs in a Row) and the most PGA pro golfing records. Tiger may not catch Jack’s 18 Majors, but Jack never held the many golfing records that Tiger still holds.

    Of the top 10 Golfers of all time, Tiger is #1 and still active. He’s the only one using modern equipment. No other golfer using modern equipment is in the top 10. Therefore, saying Tiger had an advantage over Jack because of modern equipment doesn’t hold water.

    Also, the quality of Competition argument that Jack had the tougher rivals is nonsenses. All golfers competed against GOLF COURSES, not players. Jack had a better career stroke average than his rivals, and Tiger has the best CSA of all time. Even Jack said many times that he never competed against other players because he competed against golf courses. Golfers and their caddies don’t scout other golfers. They scout and measure out golf courses.

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  11. Kurt
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    I’m not certain if people are bashing Tiger because of his morality or not. I’m not in their heads. Some people have different attitudes towards different things and that’s okay, we are all different.

    I really don’t believe he had any real competition during his first 13 or so years. Maybe 2 to 3 competitors that were good but not his caliber. He was just great back then.

    Now, the field is crowded with a dozen or two brilliant players that are all his equal in terms of ‘can they win today’. Tiger created the stir in golf and now nearly 20 years later those that got into the game because of him are now beating him. There may not have been as many ‘great’ player in this sport ever, in the history of the game as there is now and that is due to Tigers great playing in his early years. That is a big reason why him beating Jacks record is not likely in my opinion.

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  12. sudika
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    Some people are bashing Tiger for his morality. Now, being a South African, I can tell you Gary Player is definitely not treated as a demigod here. He had come out in full support of the apartheid government and this loomed over his head his entire career. People like Ernie Els, Louis Oosthuizen and Charles Schwartzel are far more popular here. Yet, if it is golfing greatness that is being debated here, we have to get to the point. Gary Player makes every top 5 or 10 top golfers of all time list and probably the highest ranked non American. So if you’re not bashing him up, why bash Tiger?

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  13. Kurt
    Kurt at |

    Well everyone has an opinion and that’s okay. We live and learn with time and our opinions will prove us right or wrong one day. Which is not even important since all these posts are merely opinions.
    I will wait for 10 more years and see if Tiger breaks the record. He’ll never do it in my opinion but that too is just an opinion. I’m not certain if anyone will break his record but if they do, it will stand for decades as well. It’s a hard record to break.
    Kurt

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  14. John M
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    Sam Snead NEVER won the US Open gets your facts straight. it was the British Open he won in 1946 as far as him # 7 thats a joke Gary Player rated above Sam Snead not in my opinion no way thats a joke Snead and Hogan maybe slighty behind Jack and Tiger

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    1. Shell Harris
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      Thank you, John. We have made the correction.

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  15. Kurt
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    I just read over this link:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Jack_Nicklaus
    This guy was really good! I would have loved to see him and the other old goats play golf. It would have been great tv.

    I’m not bashing Tiger but I went and looked at his sheet and it’s not as impressive at all.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_career_achievements_by_Tiger_Woods

    I pulled them up side by side on two screens and there is a major difference in the two and Nicklaus has a very wide margin of achievements in golf it seems.

    I never knew these old guys were so Fkn good! And with the crap they had to play with! Persimmon Drivers? No telling what Jack Nicklaus would have done with today’s technology!

    I’m not bashing Tiger, he the modern day golf god it seems for certain. But I’m going to have to change teams here and say if I live another 60 years, I’m not certain Tiger will ever match or beat Nicklaus’ life long achievements. They are amazing and so long ago. Before I was even born!
    Wow!
    Kurt

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  16. Kurt
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    Wow, there are more whiny babies on this blog than in a room full of women on the rag. What in the world created such a stir between you dudes?
    Tiger is/was a great golfer. No one can dispute that. But no, he most likely will not achieve the number of wins that Nicholas did. And whether or not anyone wants to consider it, the poster above opened my eyes when he noted Nicholas won majors (plural) after age 50. Tiger will be pressed to win any tournament after age 50, except MAYBE a seniors tournament.
    I’m not a Tiger basher but if Nicholas did all those things, does anyone here really believe Tiger or for that matter ANYONE match what Nicholas did in terms of wins and wins as a sr. playing in non sr. tournaments. That blew me away when I read it.
    Kurt

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  17. kyle
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    jack is and will always be number one. period. in both game and character.

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  18. Kurt
    Kurt at |

    I really believe as good as he was, Tiger may never win another major. Too much young raw talent on the scene today. When he started, golf was in a slump and he was the only game in town in reality. There just was not anyone at his level. The golfers were all older for the largest part and on the winding down of their games.
    He is a great ball striker but I don’t really see him winning another major, ever. Though it would be great for golf if he did.
    Kurt

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  19. Anonymous
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    what year did snead win the U>S> Open?

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  20. Barry
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    Mike Sez:
    I seriously doubt that he won’t reach 5 more majors and way more additional PGA tour wins in the next 10 years, and hopefully that will silence the doubters.

    How many more majors has he won since you posted this? Still 2nd best of all time, and by the way, time is running out.

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  21. Lloyd Bond
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    The ONLY reason this list puts Nicklaus ahead of Tiger is that he has won more majors. In virtually every other category, Tiger wins by a mile. Woods is easily the best golfer who ever lived.

    Bondll

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    1. anthony
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      keep dreaming. as you can see tiger has completely petered out. loser.

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  22. Tony
    Tony at |

    Finally, a top ten list that is NOT made by someone who has no knowledge of sports before 1990. Jack Nicklaus is, and most likely will always be, the greatest golfer of all time.

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  23. martin Nunn
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    Bloody hell is that Doc guy for real who the hell does he think he is? what a sanctimonious self important twit.He,s so up himself and by the way I thought this was about golf not Christianity ethics or whatever.Just shut up you twit.

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  24. vjb007
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    Determining “the greatest” has little meaning in sports, basically because you can’t compare athletes over different eras. Thus ultimately, everyone’s “greatest” list will converge to each individual’s “favorite” list. But if one cares to insist on “the greatest,” I believe the closest measure is to judge on who played the best golf for the longest, thus to a good degree negating the elements of eras and time.

    The golfer who most closely meets my criterion is Sam Snead. He “played golf longer, better than anyone else in the history of the game,” said Bob Toski. If in future I should see any golfer threatening to win PGA tournaments as he nears 70 (which Snead did at the Quad Cities Open c. 1979, and I believe that included asking this 67-year-old man to walk the course for 36 holes the final day due to a rainout), then I may have to reevaluate my choice. During that tournament, by the way, he reportedly became the first PGA pro in a tournament to shoot his age (67; then 66).

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  25. Doc
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    Great comments regarding ‘great golfers’ since simply playing the sport does not make one great.
    I read somewhere, please understand I may have the number or the person wrong, but, I read somewhere that Sam Snead (I believe) had somewhere @ 286 top ten finishes in his lifetime playing golf professionally.
    I could be wrong, but if it’s correct or even nearly correct, or if the person I remember reading this about is someone else, then that person was indeed a ‘great golfer’. I understand this may be rebuked by others and expect that. I’m only posting what I remember reading to the best of my recall. I’m old. Sorry for that.

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  26. ray c.
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    TOP 10 GOLFERS OF ALL TIME AS OF JULY 22 2013:

    1. BOBBY JONES – Won 13 of 20 majors entered; he was an amateur so we must count amateur titles which meant so much more years ago when pro golf didn’t pay much. He is officially credited with 7 majors, and he only played 7 years, quitting golf at age 28! He decided to win the grand slam in 1930, and he did! He also won 50% of all the tournaments he entered! All this while earning a law degree at Harvard!

    2. BEN HOGAN – Won 9 majors. But in 1942 the Hale American Open took the place of the U.S. Open due to the war. He also served almost 3 years in the Army during his peak years. In 1953, after his fatal car accident which almost killed him, Hogan won The Masters, The U.S.Open and the British Open; the only reason he didn’t win the PGA, was there were no planes to get him back in time.

    3. Jack Nicklaus – 18 Majors, 19 second place finishes. All this while never being away from his family for more than 2 weeks at a time. Nicklaus is also said to have the toughest competition playing during his reign.

    4. Tiger Woods – 14 Majors, and will most likely break the all time wins record for the PGA. Most likely will not break Nicklaus’ 18 majors. If so, Woods moves to 3rd or possibly 2nd.

    5. Gary Player – 9 Majors, massive international record. etc…

    6. Arnold Palmer 7 Majors and credited for changing the game of golf with his identification with the average fan.

    7. Phil Mickelson, 5 Majors, over 40 PGA wins, all this while battling arthritis and maintaining a full family life.

    8. Sam Snead 7 Majors

    9. Gene Sarazen 7 Majors

    10 Lee Trevino 6 Majors. Trevino beats out Seve Ballesteros and the rest of the modern day golfers because of the way he won, who he beat and his incredible ball striking. Trevino would beat Jack Nicklaus in Majors, win his first PGA tournament with the U.S. Open, all this while fighting to make ends meet. Not even a Sponsor before his first Open qualification. I almost had Trevino at 6.

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  27. Barry
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    Back on March 10th, Mike, who says Tiger is the best golfer ever, without having the credentials yet, said ” I seriously doubt that he won’t reach 5 more majors”. Tiger is now 0 for 22 in his last 22 majors. Sounds like another wanna-be to the throne, to me. Jack’s 18 is the mark to beat if you want to be called ‘The Best’ IMHO.

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