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  1. Simon at |

    Oooooh, this is gonna cause a lot of fun comments :P

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Honestly, I hope it’s not as bad as the last article’s comments. There’s too many people – on both sides – who argue from emotion rather than knowledge and facts. My hope is that some of those emotional issues would be addressed by this article.

      For instance… semi-automatic weapons. I’ve had several people tell me, personally, that semi-autos should be banned. When I ask them “what do you think a semi-automatic weapon does”, without fail, they’ve imitated a fully automatic weapon (older folks tend to lean more towards the old tommy guns). When I explain to them that a semi-auto is one shot per trigger pull just like a revolver, all of the sudden, things start to clear up for them and they start thinking through their decision rather than relying on the emotion of the moment.

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  2. Jesse at |

    Great article.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Thanks!

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  3. Voorhees at |

    The funny thing is, only arguments are based on crime protection or militia…..both based on fear. Which i find hilarious. Also the most guns used for criminal are stolen so legal gun ownership isnt to blame…….but then if there was no guns at home to steal then that argument is also invalid. lol. Im british, and have given up on America banning guns. It wont happen, and if it did, it wont make any difference due to the amount of guns there are. But i think more could be done to limit accidental deaths, 150 ish kids die a year from accidental gun firing. Now this, i think most Americans and gun owners (responsible gun owners) can agree is a issue worth fixing. Better safety and gun care and storage would save a lot of lives.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      According to the Centers for Disease Control’s latest data sets, 62 persons under the age of 15 died from accidental discharge of firearms. This is a significant step down from where numbers were in the 80′s and early 90′s and likely reflects efforts to make parents more responsible gun owners via required gun locks and storage requirements.

      The problem with gun deaths in the US isn’t accidental discharge – it’s in the socioeconomic culture that has grown up in poverty, but armed (usually with illegal weapons), and usually not educated while young about proper gun use.

      Education is critical. I grew up poor and had a few anger issues due to my parents’ divorce and a bum leg. When I was 10 years old, a church friend of my mom’s took me out to his farm and pulled out a couple of .22 rifles. We spent about an hour learning the basics of long gun use and pinging off at a few targets. I was frighteningly good for a kid with no experience. I got more training from scouts as I grew. As a result, while I knew about guns and had access to them, the idea of using them against another human just to express my anger was as foreign to me as a McDonald’s on North Sentinel Island.

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    2. John at |

      The only thing I see that isn’t adressed in the original posting by Voorhees is EDUCATION. All the safety and gun care and proper storage won’t make a difference worth mentioning if there isn’t also education. If the only EDUCATION that people (notice I didn’t say children. It’s on purpose.) get is via the tv, video games and the internet, then the problem will never go away. If you are going to own a firearm, from a BB gun up to an elephant gun, then GET EDUCATED ON THAT WEAPON! Period. If you get educated on each weapon you own then you will know what they can do, how they do it and when they do it. They don’t go boom by “accident”, they don’t kill someone unless they are actually pointed at someone or in a careless manner, and they WILL make your life a living hell unless they are used responsibly.

      There really is no excuse to NOT know what you are using, especially when that item can kill you or someone else.

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      1. marc at |

        it’s not a matter of just knowing how to use a gun but when and why too. Guns really should never be used in anger or as a solution to problems. This is an issue with our culture that needs to be addressed. Too many movies and games (both mediums which I enjoy very much) use violence as an easy way to advance a plot line or solve the conflict.

        Let’s not just educate ourselves about guns but how to be more mature.

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        1. fdx at |

          Of course, Video games and Movies are to blame….. Let’s dig deeper in the sand.

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        2. 5minutes at |

          It depends on the problem you’re trying to solve. If the problem is “my neighbor’s dog won’t shut up”, then that’s a problem that doesn’t require a gun.

          If the problem is “that guy is trying to murder me”, then yeah, a gun can solve that problem pretty well.

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  4. Demotivation at |

    We disagree on this topic – but nevertheless, I wanted to let you know I acknowledge this list is well-informed, and a good read (apart from the more technical points like #8-#10 which aren’t too interesting unless you already have a basic knowledge about guns – which I mostly don’t).

    Maybe it really IS the fact that America and the rest of the world have a completely different attitude to all this. ;)

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    1. 5minutes at |

      I appreciate it.

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  5. fdx at |

    I live in america but not in the US (yes there are other countries in America :-)), i never had a gun in my life and don’t plan on ever carrying one so i’m probably not the best guy to talk here.
    As Voorhes (Is your first name Jason, that would be scary ? :-)) mentioned in his comment, i don’t think there will ever be an efficient gun banning in the US considering the number of guns already in circulation and frankly also because you enjoyed your toys too much.
    End of the day, you do have a society crisis: people, kids are getting killed.
    Is it fair to blame the tool ? Maybe not, but unless there’s a magic plan to cure every inequality within society, maybe gun control would be a good start.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      The reason we will never get rid of our guns isn’t because we enjoy our toys. It’s because gun ownership by private individuals is enshrined in our Constitution (as a tool to remind the government of who’s really in charge – the people). To change that, you would either need to get the approval of 2/3 of both houses of Congress or a convention called by 2/3 of the states, followed up by a 3/4 majority of the states approving the amendment. Simply put: it will never happen.

      Additionally, we already have gun control. It is illegal for violent criminals and the mentally ill to own or acquire guns. And yet, they do so every day.

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  6. marc at |

    I wholeheartedly agree with #3. Some of my best fun shooting has been with my .177cal air rifle. I can shoot all day for pennies, don’t end up with sore shoulders and I’ve never had to worry about killing my neighbors. I can plink and even take small game with my gun. It’s no toy , it’s capable of sending a pellet downrange at 1000fps. It’s all the gun I need.

    I’m a bit put off by people for whom shooting is a contest of how big a cannon they an manage. They are usually the same people who only eat raw habanjero peppers by the fistful. No concern for flavor, just how hot can they make their chicken wings.

    To each his own, but I am well aware of just how much gun I need compared to how much gun I want.

    For the record, I own 2 Mosin-Nagants also. At 7.62x54mm they pack a huge kick and can take down a bear. But dammit if I can find a place to safely shoot them.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      One of my favorite guns I own is a Bersa Thunder 22. It’s a great little semi-auto pistol, super-accurate, and when I use good ammo like CCI’s, it doesn’t jam (the Winchester white box stuff from Wal-Mart is terrible). The only downside now is that everyone’s scared of government gun bans and so they’re buying up all the ammo. I can’t find a lick of .22′s around here.

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      1. gun crazy us at |

        do you hear yourself..you u.s gun nuts get turned showing how much knowledge you have about guns..thats why once you get tired out shooting tin cans in the woods..and animals..whats next people..that’s why Americans are so trigger happy..most of all friendly fire accidents in war =dumb trigger happy yanks.the funny thing is your soldiers are not even that good..British sas are the best..look it up..but that’s about courage not gun knowledge i suppose

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        1. 5minutes at |

          I’m sorry, I ran your paragraph through Google Translate and their crazy-to-English translation is down at the moment. It sounds like you were trying to rant about Americans being armed, combined with an accusation that we’re all going out shooting people once we’re done with tin cans. I may be wrong.

          Either way, you’re so unbelievably wrong that it’s not even close to funny. There are over 300,000,000 firearms of various sorts in the US. Every year, 65,000 of those firearms (or 0.02%) are used in some sort of criminal activity. 11,078 of them (or 0.003%) are used in homicides. Nationally, this works out to 3.6 per 100,000 of our population. Anything above 0 is a shame, but this number is comparable to other countries in the Americas, with the exception of Canada.

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          1. gun crazy us at |

            well mr 5 minutes im not going to hold your username against you because we all have our bad days with the ladies so i guess my name is 7 minutes..that aside you wouldn’t happen to have any clever stats on shooting sprees in the u.s compared to the rest of the world ..would you..seemed to have missed those out..and also you wouldn’t happen to know the last time a gun in the u.s was actually used against tyranny..muskets dont really count..because i didnt know tyrants could be found in schools or watching batman movies.anyway your crazy to english comment was good..so at least gun loving nuts are witty..oh yeah i hope you find more 22 ammo because im sure all that blasting away at stuff has you all out of stock..im sure you dont need all that practice so it means you enjoy the hell out of it..admit that at least..you shoot things for enjoyment and not only for protection..

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            1. 5minutes at |

              1. English. Learn it.

              2. Shooting sprees happen, but the actual percentage of people who die in shooting sprees is fairly small in comparison to other homicides.

              3. The fact that we have guns is probably the reason we haven’t had to use them against an American dictator. In fact, the vast majority of guns in our country haven’t even been used against a person.

              4. I do shoot for enjoyment. Target shooting is a fun, challenging sport, which is probably why it’s been done at every Olympics since 1896, with the exception of 1904 and 1928. Target and skeet are enjoyed across the country, as is hunting.

        2. Freedom via Gun at |

          To my cousin across the pond (assuming from calling us “yanks” that you are from the UK or specifically British), “gun crazy us”:
          You are an ignorant subject, sir. But that is exactly what subjects are…..the results of the whims of oppressors.
          Americans, on the other hand, are individual citizens with freedoms that are guaranteed to exist, thanks to those who fought the revolution that cut the ties between us and your way of life….sheltered and provided for just enough to make you think they know what’s best and then making you think it is your own opinion instead of their brainwashing.
          You don’t even see your own hypocrisy. One second you just label us as being on the verge of killing people just because we own guns and then immediately hail approval to British sas.
          I would like to know something about you, being someone devoid of the guarantees that I have been endowed with……
          Do you feel as though you are a free man in your country?
          Note, I am not asking you if you feel enslaved.
          I am asking if you ever find yourself feeling good that you live in a country that guarantees your freedoms.
          Now, it may be my own patriotic pride and ignorance from the lifestyle of a subject to the Kingdom, but I assume that the answer is no. You don’t ever find yourself reflecting on any such thing.
          Therefore, this is why you need to shut up and start listening.
          Our 2nd Amendment is our 1st Freedom….because it is what solidifies the remaining freedoms and rights that are listed in our Bill of Rights within the US Constitution. It reminds them….(those in power)…..Go too far…..and you will be removed.

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  7. John at |

    I would like to applaud you on this article. It has good information presented in a non biased form that tends to educate instead of missinform. Even though im probably not 100% on the same page as you i found this to be a great article. Im sorry, but the previous article was a shame, and I applaud TopTenz for publishing this “counter” story. While reading the other article I felt like it spewd mis information. Great article, and my question to the author is, How do you feel about Gun Shows?

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    1. John at |

      Is this only open to the author or can some nosey busybody (like me) butt in? ;-)

      Gun shows are gun shows. I personally don’t have a problem with gun shows and I feel that they have been given a bum rap by those wanting to restrict firearm ownership since all sales made by licensed dealers (those who have tables/booths) must go through the same procedures as they do in their shops. If they hold an FFL, they are required to run a background check on the buyer.

      About the only thing I would MAYBE allow to be changed would be the PRIVATE sales of weapons by folks that bring in their own and attempt to sell them there. I’m not sure that it should be allowed. It is a gun SHOW, not a swap meet. I feel it should be for the dealers only that PAID to have a booth/table set up there.

      With that having been said, there should NOT be any further restrictions to allowing the private sale of firearms AWAY from the gun show than already exist.

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    2. 5minutes at |

      I have no problem with gun shows or private sales, but those who participate in them need to take the same steps FFL dealers do to ensure that their guns don’t end up in the wrong hands. In theory, closing the gun show loopholes is an OK idea, but in a practical sense, gun show-purchased guns are not often used in crime, so I’m not exactly sure there’s an actual problem that needs to be solved here.

      As for private sales, any wise gun owner should conduct any private sales of his weapons through an FFL, if only to make sure that there is an official, legally traceable record on paper that his gun no longer belongs to him or her.

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  8. John at |

    5minutes:

    Kudos on a well written article. if read completely, then it should help to clear up many misconceptions concerning guns.

    Now for the bad news ;-)

    #2 – Crime stats vs gun ownership

    While I didn’t go as far as to check their validity, the same article you use to make you point has an entire paragraph stating that the stats shown should not be used to either rank cities for crime purposes. Not sure how valid stats are that have a disclaimer saying not to use them for the purpose you wanted to use them for.

    #9 – Semi Autos vs full autos

    Maybe it was done on purpose (God knows most people shouldn’t have one for their own safety) but owning a fully automatic weapon isn’t as hard as it looks. You have to be old enough, submit fingerprint cards, passport-like pictures, a $200 Transfer Tax per weapon and some other assorted items. Then you have to wait. And wait. But if your record is clean AND you live in a state that doesn’t prohibit them (sorry NY’ers but you are one of the 11 that don’t) AND you can afford the $5,000 to $35,000 it takes to buy one AND you haven;t given up in the two-six months it takes to be approved by BATF, then it can be yours. No Federal license required.

    Other than those two items, well done.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      On #2: The stats come from the CDC and FBI. You can dig into the stats a lot more deeply if you’d like, but the ultimate point is that dense population + poverty + lack of education = violence.

      #9: By “Federal Licensing”, I meant the tax stamp. (Not to mention, you can only buy automatic weapons made prior to 1986, thanks to that law). Personally, if I wanted the feel of a fully automatic weapon, I’d go with something like the Slide Fire stock.

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      1. John at |

        If only I was wealthy….

        ;-)

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        1. 5minutes at |

          That device costs 300.

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    2. Dan at |

      As John said it is LEGAL to own an automatic weapon in 39 states. You just need to properly register it. But, in addition to the details John provided you also give up your rights to due process and are subject to search and seizure at any time. Most criminals have things to hide and will not accept this extra requirement.

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  9. FS at |

    The one interesting fact about US v. Miller is “why” the Supreme Court ruled that sawed off shotguns could be regulated.

    In a nutshell, because of the the militia language in the 2nd the US argued, and the Supreme Court agreed, that only military weapons were protected by the 2nd Amendment and that sawed off shotguns had no military value. Seriously!

    IOW, the 2nd Amendment doesn’t protect hunting rifles, target rifles, sporting rifles, etc. but does protect “Assault Weapons”!

    Kind of a twist from what you hear now days.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Sort of…

      The Miller ruling (which sticks out like a sore thumb in 2nd Amendment cases) basically said that only weapons that could reasonably be used for the “common defense” were protected, and that a sawed-off shotgun did not qualify. The problem is that they really didn’t go beyond that statement and, ultimately, the Supreme Court somewhat invalidated that tight interpretation of the militia clause in DC v. Heller, where they found that the possession of firearms by citizens for traditional purposes, including self-defense, were in line with the 2nd Amendment.

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      1. FS at |

        A nit, but I would say Heller “broadened that tight interpretation” rather than “invalidated that tight interpretation”.

        Still, the concept of the 2nd protecting military weapons stands, which makes specifically banning them constitutionally shaky. The USSC has almost always held the precedents of previous rulings as settled law and has been very reluctant to reverse them outright.

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  10. gun crazy us at |

    American love guns simple as that..all this bull about constitution,freedom showing the government whos in charge..dont make me laugh..what about countries with no legal guns..huh so they are not free..im currently in a country where guns are easy to get..believe me the difference is clear..they dont get off on dressing in army gear and hunting animals feeling like they are some sort of rambo..you nutcases almost had Palin as your v.p for christ sake..not all Americans but an alarming amount just love their gun toys..thats why get so scared at the thought. of losing them.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Yeah. That, or the fact that our constitution enshrines the right to bear arms as a last step against tyranny.

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  11. Ixodes at |

    Excellent summary article. Some quick points: 10) Silencers…I work in occupational safety and health and, if not for fear and misunderstanding, suppressors would be required by OSHA for various firearm applications. Analogous noise reduction technology in other industrial applications is currently required. 4) Big guns…nice summary, but a major point missed. The word “need” implies something else to those who want to ensure gun rights. Who are “they” to say what I “need”? If you disagree, think of the following…you do not “need” a car that can exceed the highest speed limits (80 mph). To exceed that spped endangers yourself and others and is illegal. Car ownership is not enshrined in the Bill of Rights…so the government should immediately ban higher speed cars. This will save far more lives than gun bans as many more people die in traffic accidents. While we are at it….why do you “need” to go 80mph? Or 70? Or 50? If we all went no faster than 30mph….many lives would be saved. 1) Second Amendment: excellent discussion….the context involving defending yourself against potential tyranny is very often skipped these days; I am sorry but if I hear one more politition talk about “hunting” in context with the 2nd amemdment. You may no agree with the need for such protection…but that was clearly what the founders meant.

    Great job!

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Thanks!

      10. Suppressors shouldn’t be as difficult to get as they are, if only for safety’s sake.

      4. I spoke of need, not desire – and certainly not in any sort of requirements via force of law. My concern with “need” really focuses more on what people are going to use their guns for. If you’re going to use a gun for personal defense walking down the street, an AR-15 probably isn’t the best choice. On the other hand, if you’re going hunting for bear, I wouldn’t recommend a .22lr.

      1. I agree. Fortunately, the SCOTUS has defined the 2nd Amendment as protecting the traditional uses of guns – including hunting. Hunting is important, but you are very right in that it’s not why the 2nd Amendment exists.

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  12. Raj at |

    It’s ridiculous to believe that the ownership of guns “shows” the government “who’s in charge”. The government has more and better and bigger weapons than any individual can get. So your stand against the government would fail rather quickly if you were up against the US military. What the world needs now is fewer guns and fewer people (and governments) willing and eager to use the remaining guns.

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    1. marc at |

      I wish more gun owners could understand this. Any standoff between the police and armed gunmen usually ends up with arrested or dead gunmen. The police are well armed. The raid at Waco, Texas had very well armed religious fanatics who still lost against the Law when the FBI showed up with an armored vehicle. For the general record, the US Armed Forces has tanks, airplanes, helicopter gunships, UAVs, nuclear weapons, aircraft carriers, cruise missiles, automatic weapons, armored fighting vehicles, artillery (rocket and cannons), chemical weapons, biological weapons, land mines, hand grenades and an ongoing list of gear the local yokel militia will never be able to muster. To believe that our guns keep us safe from tyranny is absolute fantasy BS.
      The South in the late 1800′s LOST against the North, not for lack of trying, but because they didn’t have the industrial and supply base they needed. The North was better equipped, had more money, more industry and the moral high ground. Sure, the South had plenty of armed militia men and lots of high quality generals but they were gradually crushed by the North’s industrial might. The same thing would happen to any militia movement in the USA. They would be branded terrorists and squashed like grapes with the first artillery barrages. Ask the Taliban, they are armed to the teeth and they suffer massive casualties against the coalition forces.
      The government doesn’t need to stage a military take over of the USA. They have Average Joe Civilian by the balls every day with debt, false hopes, pipe dreams and plenty of false platitudes about us being the greatest nation in the world.

      You know what? There needs to be a “Top 10 List of WHY Gun Owners Want To Own Guns”. If I weren’t so busy with real stuff to do I’d write it myself. But I’d put “Because Shooting Is a Fun Sport” at #1. Small Penis Compensation might be around 7 or 8 on the list.

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      1. Danbo at |

        1.Because the Founding Fathers felt it important enough to amend the constitution and guarantee it.

        2.It’s better to have one and not need it than to need one and not have it.

        3. I’m too old, fat and slow to defend myself or run away from the threat of bodily harm.

        4.Controlling your aim and hitting the target is great for hand eye coordination.

        5.Wild game doesn’t jump into an oven or hang itself on a wall by itself.

        6.It’s easier, faster and more fun to put holes in something with a gun than a drill.

        7.Exploding targets won’t go off with less than 2000 fps muzzle velocity.

        8.I can send a golf ball 300 yards down range with a rifle blank and a golf ball launcher but not a driver or fairway wood.

        9.Asking a robber to leave your home isn’t nearly as effective as a muzzle flash.

        10.A pistol in your pocket makes a much bigger impression than a pickle.

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        1. 5minutes at |

          “10.A pistol in your pocket makes a much bigger impression than a pickle.”

          Must… stop…. laughing….

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      2. Danbo at |

        Raj & Marc and anyone else who doesn’t appreciate that the right to bear arms is a last step against tyranny either:
        1) over estimates our government’s power or
        2) underestimates the power of the people.

        You also probably live in a city and don’t appreciate just how nasty us gun toten’ rednecks can be!

        Here’s what you need to do.

        First go to NetFlix and rent the movie Red Dawn (1984 and/or 2012).

        Then read a little history. Who won in Vietnam? How many military powers have given up in Afghanistan? How many national governments are currently threatened by civil wars and militias?

        In this day and age of mass media a truly tyrannical United States of America government would be repelled enough by citizens bearing arms to garner attention of the remaining populace, mainstream media and the entire world. The military eventually would not support such a government because their fathers, sons and brothers would be the ones bearing arms against said government.

        The Second Amendment would then live up to the expectations of the Founding Fathers and fulfill its destiny. I have no doubts this is how it would play out because I believe in the heart and soul of the American people and I am a proud gun owner who would readily give my life, as so many others have already, to preserve this freedom.

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        1. marc at |

          ha ha ha ha LOL.

          No. Actually I live in rural New York State just on the edge of the Catskill Mountains and I hail from Plattsburgh, the last bastion of civilization in the Northern Tier. Yeah, that’s right. New York State and New York City aren’t the same thing. Don’t you dare condescend to me that I don’t know anything about rednecks. My family is full of them.

          Next on the list. Red Dawn is not a documentary. It’s a complete work of fiction. A gang of teens would not last long against any army. Besides the logistics of invading the USA would be a nightmare for any country. Simply getting the hardware here would be difficult beyond measure as the US Navy and Air Force would take care of most invading shipping and aircraft before it got halfway here.

          The NVA and VC won against the USA with an awful lot of support from the USSR and China. Two huge industrialized nations with a near endless supply of money, weapons and trainers to loan to them.

          Al Qaeda won against the USSR in the 80′s with the help of… THE USA! Another huge industrialized nation with near endless money weapons and “advisers” to defeat the USSR.

          The current situations in Syria and Libya are able to come about because the central governments are weak to begin with, already crippled by massive internal corruption, I’m talking corruption beyond anything the average American has any concept of. UN sanctions, and a general unwillingness to face reality. The militias are a tough lot but they are fighting against governments on their last legs.
          When my wife studied for her MBA she met a lot of people from South America the Far East and the Middle East who all agreed bribes are just a way of doing business. They didn’t even think twice to question the fact. In the USA corrupt politicians are quickly defrocked and sent to jail when they are found. Trust be dude, the USA is nowhere near as corrupt as people would like to believe it is.

          If our government ever did anything to cause an armed uprising then they have completely failed at governing. The monied interests in control of the super PACs work very hard and spend lots of money to make sure America stays politically divided and insecure so they never have to fire a shot.

          Finally remember that the USA has had a dark history where brothers and fathers took up arms against one another. The American Civil War began on Friday, April 12, 1861 and ended on Tuesday, May 9, 1865. While I’m watching Netflix you can go read a 5th grade history book and remind yourself of that. SPOILER: The South LOST the war with all its militia.

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          1. 5minutes at |

            Realisitically, Marc is right. If you have an armed, untrained populace in revolution up against the tactically trained, better armed government, you’re likely going to see a bloodbath, plain and simple.

            However, there is still the fact that the Founding Fathers put that amendment in our constitution so the people could do exactly that. Will it ever happen? Probably not. Another large-scale armed revolution in this country is unlikely simply because there are so many other ways to affect change in our government on a fairly rapid basis. Witness: 2010. In 2006-08, the government switched control from the Republican to the Democrat party in a fairly massive way. In 2009-10, the Democrats pushed through one of their keystone proposals that the people really didn’t want (55-60% were opposed). As a result, in 2010, the people changed the government, creating a stagnant legislature and basically creating gridlock for the next 4 years.

            Because our government is so flexible, an armed revolution is unlikely (and ultimately pointless). If it were to happen, if would be against a ruler who attempted to seize power unconstitutionally, and would probably involve parts of the US military up against other parts.

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  13. Semper Paratus at |

    I really enjoyed reading this article. I am not one to comment but I always love to read the responses almost as much as the articles themselves. I commend you 5 minutes, this was a great read. I have seen many of your comments posted and usually you sound very anger and negative. I enjoyed the way you handled a lot of these negative comments by responding calmly and reaffirming your statistics and sources. Love this 5 minutes much better. Again thanks for the great read!

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    1. 5minutes at |

      I’m a naturally critical person because, at heart, I’m a teacher who wants people to be better. And because I’m also honest to a fault, I’m even more critical of myself – so it’s nice to hear a compliment.

      Thanks!

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  14. Tyler at |

    I think that their is actually a lot of people who know what a semi automatic weapon is. Anyone who has ever played Call of Duty knows that an M-14 is a single shot gun and an M-16 is a three round burst. See video games aren’t all bad. lol.

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    1. marc at |

      actually the M-16 fires in semi and full auto while the M-16A1 and M-16A2 fire in semi and 3 round burst. See video games don’t teach you a damn thing about reality. LOL at you. Don’t argue with me I used to be a BRM instructor in the Army.

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  15. Tim at |

    hollow points are much more then that man, they break up in itbity bits as soon as it hits the target and the exit wound is about 3x the size of the pentration mark

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    1. marc at |

      The point of hollow points being that there should not be any exit wound. They put all their kinetic energy into the target. This makes them into non-armor piercing bullets. Some rounds even being designed not to penetrate walls. I don’t think they have it quite down to being stopped by sheet-rock, something like that would be almost useless but there are rounds that break up quickly on impact.

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  16. Katariana at |

    The guy who wrote #3 obviously doesn’t know much about the .45 does he? Funny thing about the .45 ACP, it’s a subsonic round. That means it generally is travelling a lot slower than that smaller caliber that they are advocating, which is normally a supersonic round. The .45 is heavier, and hits with more force, but it doesn’t have the same penetration or velocity.

    Also, an AR-15 firing .223 (or even military grade 5.56 “Ball” ammunition) isn’t going to be penetrating all sorts of walls in your house, and its extremely easy to control. Much better for personal defense than the things most haters advocate.

    However, using anything bigger than 5.56 for home defense is just downright impractical and dangerous, because a .308 WILL penetrate several walls, and a .30-06 will penetrate even more than that.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      There’s a lot of “depends” when it comes to ammunition, especially in an enclosed area. The amount of powder, the design of the bullet, the strength of the material in the walls. Best rule of thumb, IMO, is that if you live in an enclosed area with shared walls, using a frangible product like Glaser Safety Slugs is a good idea.

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  17. marc at |

    I was recently exposed to gunfire without hearing protection (boring story, nobody hurt, not crime related, I just happened to be in the wrong place at the time) and was left with ringing in my ears for days. So this leads me to propose a second list of gun myths that were not addressed in this one, or maybe this list could be amended (put it in with #10) to include this little fact:

    Guns are frickin’ LOUD. It seems that you see characters in a movie/TV show blaze away in confined spaces without hearing protection and then have a normal conversation minutes later. I was outside and exposed to only 3 shots from the rifle and I still have a headache and ringing.

    Point being: The idea that a person can fire a gun indoors (or even outdoors) without some kind of hearing protection and not suffer any ill effects is just BS.

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    1. 5minutes at |

      Hearing protection is always recommended, but not always available when you need it. I’ve never had to use a firearm in self-defense, but I’ve been informed that the adrenaline rush from the situation can address some of these issues.

      Having said that, when I first started hunting, I once fired a 12-guage next to my unprotected ears. Once.

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