21 Responses

  1. 5minutes
    5minutes at |

    Oy…

    1. So what exactly is your plan for children who commit heinous crimes? I can see extending some mercy to kids who commit non-violent or property crimes, but if a kid murders his grandmother, are we not supposed to lock them up for life? What’s your solution? Deny them dessert for a few weeks?

    If they try to commit violent acts in prison, are we supposed to spank them? It’s interesting that the author seems to think that a child can’t handle solitary confinement, but seems a-OK with the idea that they’re fully cognizant of the consequences of illegal sex.

    2. Prison healthcare a problem? Dude – I actually do work in jails occasionally in my job and I can assure you that healthcare is not a “worst aspect”. Often, the prisoners get better healthcare than the guards who are employed to watch over them, and as an extra bonus, it’s essentially free to the prisoner. They can go to the doctor or the ER for any variety of reasons and never have to pay a dime – which is probably why people are committing crimes so they can get healthcare they can’t otherwise afford: http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/nc-man-allegedly-robs-bank-health-care-jail/story?id=13887040

    3. The Death Penalty – you act like that’s a bad thing. Personally, I LIKE the death penalty. I wish we used it more often. When someone deliberately and maliciously takes the life of a human being, their life should be forfeit. In all your whining about how cruel it is to legally execute someone – I didn’t read a single word about the victims of those criminals we put to death. Nothing about the savagery or brutality or torture that the victims of those crimes underwent so that their killers could live out their lives in a place that many of them expected to end up anyway, surrounded by their gangmates; having food, shelter, health care, recreation, education, and cable TV – all for free; never producing anything for society again other than the oxygen they breathe out. All because a bunch of liberal pantywaists don’t want to see the killer twitch at the end of an IV line before going to sleep.

    Reply
    1. seascorpius
      seascorpius at |

      When someone deliberately and maliciously takes the life of a human being, their life should be forfeit. In all your whining about how cruel it is to legally execute someone – I didn’t read a single word about the victims of those criminals we put to death. Nothing about the savagery or brutality or torture that the victims of those crimes underwent so that their killers could live out their lives.

      – Well done for summing up the execution guards/executioners. A person who kills another person, kills another person, regardless of the reason. Putting a murderer to death because he killed one person, is still murder. And the amount of executions per year, means those guards are bigger murderers. They’re also murderers for stupidly putting innocent people to death on accident. Certainly a non-guard would be tried and killed for that, yes? Hypocrite.

      Reply
      1. 5minutes
        5minutes at |

        Boy, are you wrong.

        The problem you’re running into is that we don’t execute people for killing other people. We execute them for murder. Murder has a specific legal definition that requires that the murderer unlawfully takes the life of a human being with malice aforethought. Since a legal execution is neither unlawful nor malicious, it cannot be legally considered murder – even when done to someone who was executed is later found out to be innocent.

        By the way – do you know how many people in the US have been executed since executions resumed that have later been PROVEN to be innocent? My research shows maybe 1, maybe 2. While that’s still too high, it’s a good indication that the system is 99.9% accurate.

        Reply
    2. Manny
      Manny at |

      Very selective aren’t we? No word about other valid points. Bu the way, should we not execute the prison guard who took advantage of this in-mate?

      Reply
      1. 5minutes
        5minutes at |

        I didn’t go over the other points because I wanted to deal with the 3 biggest.

        And I’m not sure which guards you’re referring to. Unless they deliberately committed an act of murder (the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought), then no, they should not be executed.

        Reply
  2. Jeremy
    Jeremy at |

    TopTenz.net is becoming increasingly less a site that offers entertaining and informative looks at the extremes in our world, and more of a site where you can post whatever (usually liberal) sociopolitical beef you currently have.

    The only requirement: finding ten supporting arguments or examples.

    More and more lately, coming to this site only leads to disappointment.

    Reply
    1. Shell Harris
      Shell Harris at |

      Jeremy, as the founder of Toptenz.net, I can promise you I have no agenda other than to post lists that people find educational and entertaining. I don’t promote liberal or conservative agendas here. I do admit to being a Christian and sometimes that belief will sway more to post or not to post articles, but politically speaking, I am very open to any opinions and articles. I suppose that maybe the liberals like to write more than the conservatives. That would be the only reason to see any such leanings on this site. I would, in fact, say I am more conservative which shows that i am not bias on political issues on Toptenz.net.

      Reply
      1. Jeremy
        Jeremy at |

        Shell,
        Thank you for your reply. I wasn’t meaning to focus on the liberal vs. conservative aspect of the site. I added that as an afterthought and, after even more thought, perhaps I shouldn’t have.

        My complaint is more about the social\political argument based lists, where the top ten entries are one side of a very real debate. When the authors use their list to debate a real world topic without an adversarial viewpoint, it just feels preachy. Perhaps the old “point-counterpoint” format would help.

        If you want to start some fun arguments, where people learn a thing or two and don’t feel like punching their screens at the end, I suggest starting new arguments where people don’t have (crazy) emotional attachments to one side or the other.
        Like:
        TopTen reasons _______ is the coolest non-earth planet. (a whole series!)
        TopTen rarest naturally occurring elements.
        TopTen influential TV shows that are no longer aired.

        I’m not the most creative person, even in my own home, so I am sure that you guys can come up with stuff even better than these.

        The point is, everybody knows the criminal justice system sucks. So does the reason for it’s necessity. What people don’t know about is the top ten maelstroms in history. Which also sucked, but not in a depressing way.

        Reply
        1. Shell Harris
          Shell Harris at |

          Jeremy,
          I see your point and that is probably because the authors are rarely unbiased in their writing and land more heavily on one side or the other. It takes a very open mind and high degree of determination to show both sides of any point equally. And it may well be impossible since every reader may not view the article as being equal enough. A losing battle in many cases to be sure.

          I like theme of your suggestions, especially the influential shows that are no longer aired. I do rely on suggestions from the writers themselves so some of the topics are based on what the writer knows or cares about. I guess we have more writers than usual that are more concerned with political or social issues. It seems to even out of over time though. I’ll see if I can’t get some interest in the influential shows list from a writer. Thanks for the helpful input.

          And, as I usually do, I point you to the least offensive and least political list on the site. It happens to be the worst list and one of my earliest lists, feel free to read at your peril. It is horribly boring.

        2. 5minutes
          5minutes at |

          Jeremy – this is one reason that my last set of lists deliberately took both sides of the issue (Top 10 Reasons Republicans / Democrats Will Dominate in 2014) – because I wanted to make sure both sides were (to the best of my ability) fairly covered.

          And if you want to get real technical… there’s more than just 2 sides. 🙂

    2. Ed
      Ed at |

      I agree– this sight used to be a great source of entertainment and, occasionally, unbiased, unadulterated education. Now it seems that more and more lists have become liberal propaganda. I consider myself somewhat of a moderate, and this list brought up some good points, but jeez, it’s become consistently political on this sight.

      Reply
      1. Shell Harris
        Shell Harris at |

        As the owner, if you feel this way, I can promise you it is not by design. In fact, I have little interest in political lists and they usually do poorly in terms of traffic. I would rather keep it light and fun for the most part.

        Reply
    3. 5minutes
      5minutes at |

      As an author of several politics-oriented lists on this site, I can assure you that this is categorically false. I’ve never felt that my views (mostly conservative) kept one of my lists from getting published. I’ve also felt that there is a free flow of ideas between people of all sides. My next list will hopefully contribute to that.

      I’ve also not seen too many politics lists recently. Most of them have been historical or entertainment-oriented.

      Reply
      1. Jeremy
        Jeremy at |

        5minutes,
        One of my biggest pet-peeves, whether talking to my children or reading internet posts, is the use of undefined pronouns. For instance, your statement “As an author of several politics-oriented lists on this site, I can assure you that this is categorically false.” fails to tell me what “this” is. Is it one of my statements? One of your statements?

        What, exactly, is categorically false?

        Reply
      2. Shell Harris
        Shell Harris at |

        Thanks for the support, 5minutes! We welcome all opinions as long as they are given respectfully.

        Reply
  3. Cory
    Cory at |

    they are criminals and deserve to be treated as such. I have no sympathy for children who commit acts of violence and then pay the price. i am actually in favor of the victims of the crimes dulling out the punishment. You know that whole eye for an eye thing that hammurabi came up with in about 1772 B.C. I hate this society mainly because of all the whinner who feel life isn’t fair.

    Reply
  4. David Crowe
    David Crowe at |

    The United States is supposed to be the most civilized nation on earth. But when it comes to the death penalty we are barbarians. Kind of like Attila the Hun. And the most barbaric state in definitely Texas. Been there once never care to go back. Washington state my home is more civilized with the death penalty. Since 1963 the state has only executed 5 men.
    Get rid of the death penalty. I does not work.

    Reply
    1. 5minutes
      5minutes at |

      The Death Penalty isn’t just about deterrence, it’s about punishment, and I’d say it works pretty well. No one who’s been executed has returned from the dead to kill more people.

      Besides, which is more civilized? A state that takes the life of murderers or a state that lets them walk free?

      Reply
  5. Forkbeard
    Forkbeard at |

    The three strikes rule is interesting. Am I correct in assuming that “stealing a slice of pizza” wasn’t the offence in all three cases?

    Jailing someone for 25 years for stealing a slice of pizza would indeed seem harsh, but somewhat less so if the first two offences were for example serious assault, rape or something of that ilk.

    Reply
  6. James Falconer
    James Falconer at |

    One thing I find unfair about the criminal justice system is their unwillingness mostly to forgive misdeamnor or minor crimes after a certain number of years and have these crimes be public record, which is legal discrimination against getting and keeping jobs.

    I have a shoplifting conviction from 18 years ago that my state will not expunge or sealed. I may be in a position where I may need to look for a job next year in the United States since I may lose my overseas teaching position because the country I live in is now requiring background checks of foreigners (because of pedophiles).

    I’d like to get my casino job back. Won’t happen. I would like to work any kind of company job, and I would be good at it. Probably won’t happen either. Fast food? I would rather be a criminal again.

    The FBI keeps a record of every criminal act no matter how minor. If someone is fingerprinted and put through the system, it is there and people who have been law abiding for years have had their lives ruined because of this. There should be a drop off point, after 10 or 15 years for non violent, non sexual misdeamnor crimes. Why punish someone for the rest of their lives?

    Reply
  7. Zac Compton
    Zac Compton at |

    lol this 5minutes guy, clearly a power hungry “peace officer” of some form or another…your opinion doesn’t matter. YOUR people are the worst gang in the country, i think you should get the death penalty.
    No, but seriously i think this article was well done. Me personally, im doing an essay and choosing to make it about how our entire justice system needs to be 100% re considered. I know a guy personally who has the hardest life of anyone i’ve met, because he became a registered sex offender at 14 for molestation, but the kicker is that he was a victim, and was told to do what he did. His life is ruined, he gets dirty looks, beat up and cant find jobs or housing. We are all human, every case is unique and shouldn’t be looked at as a “LAW WRITTEN” if someone is just a bad seed, that can be determined.
    Also, stop making everyone go to jail. and suspending licences for something that in no way proves the person is in any way a un safe driver…like child support.

    Reply

Leave a Reply