Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Marines


Enlisting in the United States Marines Corps is not an afternoon of miniature golf and dinner at Cracker Barrel.  Enlisting in the USMC is heavy.  When one walks into the recruiting office, you already know that this is going to be drastically life changing, and you are about to enter a completely new world.  In this new world, you will require skills and information to assimilate and be useful; things like strangling terrorists with their own detonation cord, or sky diving onto a Somali pirate ship with a knife between your teeth might come to mind.

Sure, these are awesome, but before you ever learn to do any of that, first, you have to deal with ten very surprising and often ridiculous realities that you might not have seen in the recruiting brochure.

10.  You Learn To Crash Diet Like A Runway Super Diva


“Marines!  Cool,” says the fat kid as he enters the recruiting office.  Problem is, he’s FAT, and the US military has regulations and rules regarding this.  The Army tells him it will take several months of hard training to bring the weight down to an acceptable level.  The Marines just tell him to “drink this stuff” and he does; an entire industrial-sized bottle of high-powered laxative.  Explosive and unrepentant diarrhea then ensues for the two days before weighing in at the initial medical check, and the 15 pounds he’s lost puts him just under the weight cut off.

The big surprise, however, is that these aggressive bowel movements continue for two weeks well into the first phase of recruit training, thus making him all kinds of friends every time the platoon heads to the toilet, and a grand total of 32 pounds lighter in just three fun weeks.


9.  You Do So Much Paperwork, The I.R.S. Grimaces


When you enlist in the USMC, your body, for all intents and purposes, becomes the property of the United States Government.  So, if you thought the act of passing ownership of your summer house to a relative required a fair amount of document signing and pencil pushing, you have no idea what you’re in for.

First there are the initial screening applications and medical surveys.  Then there are the enlistment contract, background surveys and additional medical surveys.  It’s paperwork, upon contract, upon paperwork, upon contract.  If you are, say, a bored 18-year-old who feels he/she has little to lose hence signing up for the infantry just to get a ticket out, it’s very easy to simply sign things without reading them at all.  If you had read them, you might be more prepared for what comes next.


8.  You Become A Medical Experiment


It’s likely that most of you reading this have been to a doctor in the last few years and had some kind of physical.  Great!  Being healthy is a good thing.  But the Marine Corps is not so concerned with YOU being healthy so much as YOU not infecting EVERYONE else at boot camp.  So, initial check-ups and medical evaluations are performed in the same manner they would be done with felons in a prison.  There’s a lot of “stand in line and strip.”  There’s also a fair amount of “now, squat, naked, and walk like a duck across the room while everyone watches.”  And then there’s the all-time favorite: “pull your pants down and bend over.”

Add to this the diverse and extensive line up of pokes, prods and needles that you get over not only your initial enlistment phase, but your entire four years, and it’s amazing Marines aren’t glowing in the dark.  Speaking of four years…


7.  You Actually Signed Up For More Than Four Years


“I’m just gonna do my four, then get out and move on.”  Sure you will.  If the United States Government feels like letting you.  The reality is that all non-prior service enlistees commit to an initial contract of EIGHT YEARS of obligation to the USMC.  So, whatever time you don’t spend as active duty has to be made up in either the active reserves or in the inactive reserves.  Did your four, got out and are in University?  Quit now and come back because we tell you to.  It’s totally within the government’s rights to do this.  You signed the document; it’s all right there in paragraph 10a of the enlistment contract.


6.  More Time Is Spent Pushing A Mop Bucket Than Pulling A Trigger


As an enlisted man/woman in the Marines, you are going to do a lot of cleaning.  A LOT.  More than any one human being should ever really have to do.  Despite the United States being engaged in multiple wars in the last decade, it is a fair bet to say that the bucket and mop are as ever-present as the rifle.  In fact, even your rifle has to be constantly cleaned, oiled and maintained to ensure that when the time comes for you to pull the trigger, it isn’t jammed.

Everything has to be constantly cleaned; your room, your uniforms, your equipment and your weapon.  In some respects these regulations are practical consideration as in the case of a Marines rifle, other times it’s to maintain “good order and proper discipline,” and other times it’s simply because there’s nothing else for you to be doing, so the powers-that-be put you to cleaning.  This leads us to another fallacy regarding Marine Corps life…

5.  Working Out And Being Fit Is NOT A Marine Corps Priority


The USMC, like so many other big organizations, has a boat load of red tape surrounding literally everything it has to do.  There are procedures and things that have to happen on a regular basis- meetings, formations, cleaning, counseling, lecturing, training etc.  Some of these are critical components, others are not, but due to the nature of red tape and how following the rules and checking the boxes can help careers move forward, corners often get cut, and not the corners that should be lopped off.  For example, if the choice has to be made between having a platoon formation and discussing new chow hall regulations or doing physical training/PT, generally the formation wins out.

Although a certain level of fitness is required, largely the act of getting in shape and maintaining it falls squarely on each individual Marine’s shoulders, and the time needed for this has to be found when and where one can get it.  This means that for anyone less than the highly motivated, fitness that could potentially make the difference between someone catching a bullet or not can easily fall by the way side.  This goes hand-in-hand with our next point.


4.  Marines Play A Huge Amount Of Video Games


Walk into any barracks room in any infantry unit in the USMC and you will likely find the corner stones of Leatherneck living: some kind of pornography, some kind of tobacco product, and some kind of TV/PC gaming system.  This addiction to gaming is not exclusive to the Infantry, but really has a cast iron, crack-cocaine-like strong, stranglehold on all members of the Marines; this has been going on since at least 1999 with no indication of letting up.

Marines run the gamut too, from old-school obsessions like EverQuest and Goldeneye, all the way up to Modern Warfare 3 and everything in-between.  From the lowest enlistees up to company commanders, Marines just love playing video games, and spend a large amount of time and money doing it.


3.  The Marines Have Their Own Completely Unintelligible Language


Latin has been called a “dead language” but, in the Marine Corps, nobody cares what the French think and they can tell you this in ways only other Marines can possibly understand.  With daily greetings between two Marines that might sound something like:

“Warhammer- Kill”

“Body bags, oorah?”,

it’s no wonder non-Marines might walk away from a conversation perplexed.  Aside from the unique “industry jargon” used in the USMC, there is an entire dictionary worth of slang terms and adaptable verse that must be learned in order to function within a unit.  Example: “Scuttlebutt’s that we’re good to go for basket leave from 2000.  Gunny confirmation on 2000 hours?”  “Leave is cleared hot devil dog.  Cleared hot!”  “Yaaaattt!  F%^&ing Rolex!  Pack is being dropped off a damn cliff.”  Got that?


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2.  Nothing Ever Works Properly. Ever.


The Marine Corps is the smallest branch in the US military arsenal and, subsequently, is constantly fighting for funds and equipment.  Simply put: Nothing ever performs up to specifications.  The preferred weapon system used by the USMC, the M-16 assault rifle group, is notorious for jamming.  Misfires are so common-place, acronyms exist to help one deal with these inevitable occurrences.  Packs break.  Radios have a hundred different ways they can make a Marines life both short and/or hellish.  Humvees are constantly smoking, growling and dying.  Armored vehicles lose their tracks or simply shut off and stop moving.  Helicopters crash.  Thirty-four Marines have died in V-22 Osprey crashes alone, and looking through night-vision goggles is like trying to see bad guys 20 feet under the surface of the Ocean.

All your equipment and the entire chain of command is in a constant state of FUBAR and you spend vast amounts of time standing in formation; just standing there and then screaming at the top of your lungs.  Stand by to stand by.


1.  Marines Age In Dog Years


It’s a phenomenon that should be studied by science, because Marines physically age at a ridiculously high rate of speed.  The pace at which you age is directly proportionate to your level of responsibility with in your unit as well.  You might be impressed to talk to a wise, salty old Staff Sergeant about his views on Marine Corps life.  That is, until you find out that he’s only 29 years old and only LOOKS like he’s 45.

This rapid aging curse can be seen most clearly in fresh new Lieutenants.  They arrive from OCS bright-eyed, bushy tailed and ready to guide their new platoon full of young warriors to new heights of Devil Dog excellence, only to have found that they’ve aged 10 years in six months.  The constant stress of being responsible for Marines, and the problems that are inherent to grunt units, are insanely taxing.  That stress, combined with constant exposure to the elements, be it in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Twenty Nine Palms, California, strips away youth faster than a Boy Scout Leader with a box of puppies in the back of his windowless van.

Eric Yosomono is a former Marine Scout Sniper who served more than his four years in the service.  He now writes about the beauty and seductions of Japanese women on his website,

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  1. 5. Less time working out. I was in 95. We were constantly working out and getting “quarterdecked” where fast difficult exercise was meant for punishment. We were only permitted the newspaper on Sundays. NOTHING else. I’m surprised they got so soft.

  2. I don’t know why but came to re-read this.

    Ridiculous comments. I am so PRO-USMC it’s absurd. Marine SS are killers, pure and simple. MARSOC are out slaying people. Some of the highest caliber individuals I’ve ever met were in the Marines, and also some of the worst people I’ve ever known.


    I stand by everything I wrote in this and can even back up each of these with stuff I’ve either done or seen happen to other Marines. And that Sniper post is still up. It was never taken down. No, I won’t post my class number or SSN or my phone number or whatever. Neither will any of you.

    People, lighten up. Even the Jar heads are SJWs now?

  3. George Williams on

    I still look like I’m in my early 20’s and coming close to 40 😛
    It’s genetic but it does age you a little via stress.

    • Craigslist Redshirt1 on

      Military service (especially the Marines) is an awesome place to acquire character, good or bad

  4. Active duty marine on

    So much of this is exaggerated. Some of the things only happen in boot camp and some don’t happen at all. A lot of the things stated don’t happen at all or happen just once in a while.

  5. I beg to differ with the statement in #2: The Marine Corps is NOT the smallest branch in the US military arsenal. The Coast Guard is. You may think because the USCG is part of the Department of Homeland Security (and before that, the Department of Transportation) instead of the Department of Defense, that it’s not actually part of the military. Wrong. I did five years with them and I can assure you that they are very much part of the military… and most of our equipment we had back then were Vietnam era hand-me-downs from the Navy and I served on a buoy tender in the late 1980’s that had seen service in WWII.

  6. I’m fairly certain this guy is a phony. He wrote an article on about his time as a Marine scout sniper, with glaring inaccuracies about nomenclature, people he met, among other things. Two comments asked about his class number and date for attendance, he didn’t publish it, just replied with a lengthy post about how “they should spend their time finding SEAL fakers.” I returned later today and found the entire post was deleted. Why not post a class number and date? Why delete an entire post featuring comments that cast doubt? After I tried to verify his information into my computer system (I’m a recruiter) I couldn’t even find a record of him being in the Marine Corps. Suspect indeed….

    • Wow you couldn’t find an entry for pen name? That proves a lot. You looked up Gaijinass? Really? You actually thought that was a real name … sad.

  7. The only two I disagree with is the paperwork and the fitness mostly. If you are POG than physical fitness falls on your shoulders more. As far as infantry you PT every morning and if you cant you are considered a turd and you get negative a counseling because of it.

  8. Infantry always complaining about something, playing COD in your barracks room is so hard. Besides its always the jerks that post stuff like this. “It’s a joke lighten up” No, it’s not a joke it’s a continuation of your complaining, the thing all the other Marines had to put up with when you were in.

  9. This insulted the hell out of me. Really sounds like you
    got something against the core. The majority
    Of your information is BS.

  10. I dont understand how you can point any of these as “negatives”. These are all things associated with joining the military in general. To complain about cleaning and maintenance makes me feel like a lazy teenager wrote this.

  11. This is funny! People need to lighten up, it’s not meant to be serious. I only was in for five years, but I am part of the Brotherhood. Thanks for putting this up!

  12. Sounds like the author has never ever ever ever been in or has known anyones who has ever been in the Marines.

  13. cplpunishment on

    Marines age in dog years?

    Gen. Gray was 60 when that portrait was made. After 40 yrs of service I’d say he looks pretty damn good.

      • Yosomono, everything you said was open point. I love the stand by for the by stand formation ( aka the sight count) 0311 ooorah!!
        1993-1997 India company 3/7 Marines!!!!!

  14. The list is accurate. Are there similarities within other service branches? Of course. Obviously. But these were MY experiences while serving in an Infantry battalion in the USMC. Maybe it’s different for you guys fixing trucks or typing papers. I don’t know and I don’t care.

    Pog’s will be Pog’s.

    Either way, thanks for reading and commenting. Due to TV and the media there is a lot of BS out there regarding what being an infantry Marine is really all about. Something that honestly, couldn’t be covered in a top ten list.

    FYI- Water-boarding is sometimes used at SERE school, which all forward deployed or high risk individuals generally attend. Pilots, SEALs, Snipers, Recon, Rangers, SF guys etc. There’s no secrets, it just sucks. Everyone is afraid of drowning. It’s a primordial fear, this is why water-boarding makes lose their sh%t.

    • Lee Standberry on

      I think most of us that have served, especially Marines (0341 myself) know exactly what the author is talking about. The list is meant to be lighthearted and fun folks and poke a bit at some of the ridiculous stuff soldiers, sailors and Marines have to deal with. Lord knows he’s on point about being prodded like a lab experiment for 4 years. Good list

    • Who are you? I am a PFC Marine Corps, and this is not acurate. Maybe 35% acurate, have you been in? If you haven’t shut your mouth, you aren’t worth a piece of spit, if you would say things and back things up without not knowing a damn bit of even seeing any of this in person yourself.

      • CPraison009IsApog on

        PFC Praison, you illiterate boot pog. Reread OPs comments. He clearly states that he served in the infantry. Go whip out your “Knowledge”. You’re clearly not ready for my Corps boot.

        God I hate boot-fck pogs.

        – A Marine who thinks boots should keep their mouths shut until they are spoken to first.

        • I agree cp this pog needs to run a check EPs or run flow lines for a week or so then he wouldn’t pop off about the brotherhood those in corps I stand sorta tall ( broNCO backed here 3 down low back) and am proud to be 1237 mos sniper tag chicken basketball Christian OHH!! AHH!!

      • I agree with this PFC. You should feel proud that you are a Marine. These people are talking shit on who we are as Marines. i have served 9 years now and this is a BS list.

  15. Is it true that they do waterboarding in the Marines? (which is why a lot of Americans aren`t bothered by it..) Or is that the SEALS? Anyway, any country that does waterboarding can`t lecture another country for human rights. Waterboarding was done by the INQUISITION and KHMER ROUGE. but hey, if it`s good enough for Torquemada and Pol Pot, it`s good enough for us right?

    • Many Americans are bothered by waterboarding. I won’t speak about whether the Marines or SEALs do it; what I will say, however, is that sometimes law enforcement and military training does involve the recruits being on the other end of the devices or tactics they are trained to use against others in the appropriate situations.
      Police recruits and correctional officers in training, for example, will sometimes, on a voluntary basis from what I have seen, but it could be different in other places, be tased so they will know what it feels like and, hopefully, use it only when it is necessary, and stop using it once the threat has been neutralized.

    • Who cares about human rights at war? It doesn’t matter what it takes to find out information and big thanks to those people who do this job and rest of us can shopping, watch TV, eat gamburgers and talk about we dont know anything. Too many gays around in our days, our daughters are in troubles, no husbands for them, more and more females go to the military, its a shame, all those pierced , tattooed , long haired , pants downed creations are should go into military. It would be much better if military in USA would be like in Russia – obligated, then it would be more Men around. And whatever they do in military to keep their mothers, wifes and daughters save is not a women’s business.

  16. Wow. As a Marine who did 8 years, i have to say that this list is extremely boring and inaccurate. We can go down the list.

    10. Sure you can drink that green monster, if you want. And if you do, that is at your own discretion. Recruiters are not allowed to give their poolees that stuff and if they do, you can and should report them.

    9. All that paperwork? Yeah, its the same paperwork that you would have to fill out with any other branch.

    8. That physical? Yeah, you do that everywhere else too.

    7. 8 years? yeah. You do. And if after 4 years the government forces you to stay on active duty, you get paid extra a month for that. Also, your recruiter again should of explained this to you. OH and yeah, other branches do this too. (see a trend here?)

    6. Yeah, you have to clean because it promotes cleanliness and creates a disease free environment. Sounds like someone has an issue with cleaning in general.

    5. That is far from the truth. The marine corps has the strictest body composition program and strictest weight guidelines in the military. And, yeah, you kinda have to work out on your own in order to stay within those regulations.

    4. Really? Next item please.

    3. Well. Its unintelligible to those who arent Marines. Thus the brotherhood of the whole thing. Sounds to me like you have something against the Marine Corps.

    2. Nothing ever works… before it gets to the Marines. We perform so much maintenance on every piece of gear we own due to the fact that they are usually handmedowns from other services. Cmon.

    1. This one I cant deny. Im 26 and I feel like 36. The Marine Corps does wear your body down. Yay! you got 1 out of 10!

    • yea man sorry, you’re refutations dont really instill much confidence in the marines, in the end its still just the same military bs “brotherhood” for weak minded people to be kept in line.

      • Well since it is us so-called weak minded people and those that have served in the “BS Military Brotherhood” that have kept the USA, and much of the rest of the Free World, free…and given fools like rajumus123 the right to spew their thier idiocies without being summarily executed….just what does that make you, raji?

      • Rajimus, you comment reads like someone who is in their 12th year of community college. I guess calling those who have actually accomplished something, makes you kills time until you mom calls you up for dinner.

      • The weak minded tend not to be successful Marines. I did my 4 (1833 YatYas) in the mid to late 80s. Since then worked my way from warehouse work to a R&D analyst in the industrial distribution industry. Now I own a biz that does pretty good for itself even in these times. Most of my success in life I can attribute to lessons learned in the Corps. The Brotherhood one experience is quite real, powerful and ever lasting. That Brotherhood comes from your commitment to your fellow Marine. You value his life more than you do your own. I can see how a narcissus / sociopath would never understand it or dismiss it as less than genuine seeing that they themselves are incapable of having that level of commitment to another.
        I always find it interesting the self assured or “my professor says” comments people make about military life when they have absolutely zero experience. Most are just laughable. It’s kind of like Andrew Dice Clay speaking at a domestic violence seminar.

    • Thank you for writing this. I enjoyed the TopTenz list because I like reading about the military, but I think I enjoyed your rebuttal even more.

      • @rajimus, to each their own. I respect your opinion. But by refuting this list, which i did, i proved that these “surprises by enlisting in the Marines” is inaccurate due to the fact that most of these are experienced in other branches as well. So the author of this list should of named the list “Surprises by enlisting in the military”.

        @Trek Girl, thanks. I hope I cleared some things up with it.

        • I watch a lot of programs about the military, so I was wise to silliness of the list and knew the author was stretching the truth a bit…or a lot.

        • Oy vey. I meant to type “…I was wise to the silliness of the list…”.

        • So what you’re saying Alvaro, is that all of the negatives drawn out by the list are accurate, but that you have a problem with the semantics of specifically calling out the marines (presumably because the author themselves once enlisted in the marines)? Got it. You’e butthurt. Go mop the barracks before I take your caremelised rations away.

        • @ Fragge!
          These men and women put their life on the live for us to be safe and have liberty!!! Show some respect!

    • Way to ruin the fun of it Devil Nuts. It seems to me as if it was meant to be a joke and not taken seriously. Yut!

    • A soldier after reading “Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Army”: haha funny

      A sailor after reading “Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Navy”: haha funny

      An airman after reading “Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Air force”: haha funny

      A coastguard after reading “Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Coast Guard”: haha funny

      A marine reads “Top 10 Unpleasant Surprises About Enlisting In The Marine” and freaks the “F” out.

      • that’s called pride… and they should be proud, i’m proud of every marine i know and i will (hopefully) be a marine before next summer.

    • Hell yea put In words I couldn’t find said like a true brother (farts) lol ty for setting these weak lost souls straight. Simper fi, OHHH AHHH!

    • I too am a Marine. I have served for 9 years now and everything on this page is not true. Whoever made this list should go join the Marines and see how wrong they really are. I have seen my brothers and the friends I grew up with die right in front of me. Show some respect.

  17. One thing I was surprised to find out about Marines is that a person who enlists is not guaranteed a specific job or his choice of occupation. From what I understand a recruit is assigned a specialty and has no choice in the matter.

    If one enlists in the Army, that person can choose a specific military occupational specialty such as a tank mechanic

    • as far as i know a job can be chosen but you have to make sure that it’s in your contract upon enlistment. I’ve been told it’s the same in the Army and every other branch.

    • Actually, a marine is guaranteed his mos, as long as he meets the necessary requirements. By this, I mean that they must obtain the appropriate scores on their asvab necessary to enter that mos. Also, once they enter that mos school, if they do not pass the requirements to enter that mos, or fail the school, then yes, as their contract says, they can be reassigned to another mos based upon the needs of the marine corps. However, they do not simply force an enlisted marine to do some job that noone wants. Also, if a marine is unhappy with his mos, given time, the said marine may “lat move” into another mos. What this does, is the marine starts another mos that is similar in training to the one he is doing, but also different. That way they can try something different, but aren’t in a totally different field. I have obtained this information through my year of enlistment that I have done so far as a junior enlisted marine in the marine corps

      • Future Jarheads on

        If you enlist as a reservist you can pick your exact job. If you enlist as active duty you are only guaranteed your job field and you will be assigned a job within that field at a later date. As for lat moves: No Marine is going to be allowed to switch jobs during their first enlistment. It is a waste of money to train a Marine only to have him change his job after a year or two. Lat moves are more common for Marines who re-enlist.

      • A Marine is NOT guaranteed his mos. As long as a recruit meets the necessary requirements and their desired mos has availability then it will be listed as his mos on his contract. Recruit then goes through boot camp, becomes a Marine and then on to ITB or MCT. Then graduation day comes along and everyone receives their orders with their mos school and to many surprises find out their new mos that the Marine Corps felt they would be better suited for (or maybe there just wasnt a need for more bodies in your first chosen mos). When a mos is changed, you can bet 99.9% of the time that it will still stay within the same field. For example: my husband went into boot camp and mct with the mos combat engineer on his contract. The day before mct gaduation, he and all other Marines that had combat engineer on their contract were given different orders within field 13 (Engineer, Construction, Facilities and Equipment) It all depends on where the Marine Corps needs you. Marines also can not just request a lat move and expect to be granted their wish. Lat moves depend on many factors/requirements. The Marine first must meet all requirements within his first term. Some mos require a Marine to carryout their entire enlistment before allowing a lat move. It also depends on whether the mos training cost is high or low. If the mos is restricted or closed then it will not be approved. The only thing you can guarantee in the Marine Corps is that you cant guarantee anything at all. Nothing is absolute, everything is subject to change and you can expect the unexpected.

    • Of the replies below this point, only the one from FutureJarheads is correct regarding MOS guarantees. All others are either partly or totally incorrect. MOS guarantees are contractual obligations that the Marine Corps must honor, but they apply only to the general job field, and not to a specific job within an MOS. Every MOS is designated by four numbers; enlistment guarantees cover the first two (##00), and the Marine Corps decides on the second two (####). For example, if you have an enlistment guarantee of MOS 5800, Military Police and Corrections, the Corps can decide they want to make you an MP (5811) _or_ a Corrections Specialist (5831) while still honoring their obligation to you under your enlistment contract.

      GUEST is correct regarding the factors impacting the possibility of a lat move. Additionally, in general, a lat move within your current MOS (the first two digits stay the same) is much more likely and much more practical than a field-to-field move to a completely different occupational area; but, as GUEST says, your desires are always secondary to the NEEDS OF THE MARINE CORPS, particularly as they relate to staffing levels in the MOS you currently occupy.

      The oracle has spoken. Disbelieve at your own peril.

    • when i was a Marine they guaranteed you a job in an occupational FIELD but never a specific job so if you were guaranteed to be in airfield operations you could be put in the worst job in airfield ops which is eaf building runways or in air traffic control.

    • YES, you can get a guarantee MOS(Military Occupational Specialty). Marines are tested using the same ASVAB(Armed Services Vocational Aptitude Battery), as all the other branches. You MUST score at or above the score needed for a specialty MOS you may want. Don’t go into the recruiters office with a high ASVAB score wanting an MOS that you are qualified for and let the recruiter convince you to go in as an “open” MOS, making you believe that once you get through boot camp and Infantry Training School then you will be able to choose your MOS. Once you go in without a guarantee MOS, the Corps can place you where THEY need you.

    • That is true I signed as a radar mech. Just to find out I got told and forced behind a 50 cal sniper wow they suck I thought turned out though they knew me better than I did example is 600 yards 3 in the wet or hole ( bullseye ) 34mph winds from north northwest at 3am so yeah they n
      Knew I guess

    • True, when I enlisted in 1995, i knew the Army would let me chose my specific MOS and the USMC would assign me a general job group, based on my asvab score and I would be assigned any job in that group. I chose USMC anway due to family also serving in USMC over the years and my good asvab score landing me in a general job group where i had no problem with most of the jobs I could be assigned, and i had no desire for infantry service. maybe its changed since